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		<title>By: Punctuality Rules! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MM: Do You Say Thank You?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punctuality Rules! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MM: Do You Say Thank You?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amy Derby</title>
		<link>http://punctualityrules.com/2008/09/18/soliciting-advice-and-encouragement/comment-page-1/#comment-1265</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb, I think links to your blogs would suffice, along with whatever else you have (from your job, etc). For a long time I only had ghostwriting gigs, so I had nothing I could post and say &quot;this is mine.&quot; So what I did was write up a few articles on different things I&#039;m interested in, upload them to pdf documents and posted those as writing samples. Unless you&#039;re doing hoity toity magazine writing, most folks don&#039;t care if the samples have been published; they just want to see that you can write. I suggest leaving off rates information. I still don&#039;t list my rates. It&#039;s way too difficult to quote a rate without first knowing what the project entails. One 500 word article might take me an hour, while another might take me three hours in research. I know a lot of writers disagree with me about the rate posting thing, but it&#039;s worked for me, so it could work for you too I think.

&lt;em&gt;Amy Derby&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://write-from-home.com/word-of-the-day-proponent-pruh-poh-nuhnt&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Word of the Day: proponent (pruh-POH-nuhnt)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, I think links to your blogs would suffice, along with whatever else you have (from your job, etc). For a long time I only had ghostwriting gigs, so I had nothing I could post and say &#8220;this is mine.&#8221; So what I did was write up a few articles on different things I&#8217;m interested in, upload them to pdf documents and posted those as writing samples. Unless you&#8217;re doing hoity toity magazine writing, most folks don&#8217;t care if the samples have been published; they just want to see that you can write. I suggest leaving off rates information. I still don&#8217;t list my rates. It&#8217;s way too difficult to quote a rate without first knowing what the project entails. One 500 word article might take me an hour, while another might take me three hours in research. I know a lot of writers disagree with me about the rate posting thing, but it&#8217;s worked for me, so it could work for you too I think.</p>
<p><em>Amy Derby&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://write-from-home.com/word-of-the-day-proponent-pruh-poh-nuhnt' rel="nofollow">Word of the Day: proponent (pruh-POH-nuhnt)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: --Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>--Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John said, &quot;I&#039;ve just decided that you charge $50/hour on simple projects that involved little research and $75/hour for more complex tasks. You&#039;re welcome.&quot;Well, thank you, John. That certainly does save me all sorts of headaches... (grin) (No, really, thanks.)

And, actually, seriously, I DO have a novel I&#039;d love to get published, but that really IS a discouraging process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve just decided that you charge $50/hour on simple projects that involved little research and $75/hour for more complex tasks. You&#8217;re welcome.&#8221;Well, thank you, John. That certainly does save me all sorts of headaches&#8230; (grin) (No, really, thanks.)</p>
<p>And, actually, seriously, I DO have a novel I&#8217;d love to get published, but that really IS a discouraging process.</p>
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		<title>By: John Roach</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Roach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend against quoting rates.  Anything you put up here would have to be so vague as to be meaningless.  

You&#039;ve probably got a good idea by now as to how long it would take you to write a given project. I&#039;ve just decided that you charge $50/hour on simple projects that involved little research and $75/hour for more complex tasks. You&#039;re welcome.

But never give out your hourly rate! Do the math in your head and quote a project.  

Back to your question: Anything you&#039;ve put pen to paper for can go be a sample.  

I would put up 1.) a press release, 2.) a brochure, 3.) a sales letter, and 4.) a link to some website.  That&#039;s probably a good starting point.  Unless you&#039;ve got experience, you probably don&#039;t want to be chasing after annual reports or similar  projects, and with a day job, you probably don&#039;t want such complex jobs anyway.

And don&#039;t get hung up on your samples being published. You&#039;re not pitching a novel, you&#039;re pitching your writing abilities, which you have in spades. Write a press release about your newly created writing services and put that up there.

&lt;em&gt;John Roach&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ProWritingTips/~3/397471354/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;That which doesn’t restrict you makes you non-essential&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend against quoting rates.  Anything you put up here would have to be so vague as to be meaningless.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve probably got a good idea by now as to how long it would take you to write a given project. I&#8217;ve just decided that you charge $50/hour on simple projects that involved little research and $75/hour for more complex tasks. You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
<p>But never give out your hourly rate! Do the math in your head and quote a project.  </p>
<p>Back to your question: Anything you&#8217;ve put pen to paper for can go be a sample.  </p>
<p>I would put up 1.) a press release, 2.) a brochure, 3.) a sales letter, and 4.) a link to some website.  That&#8217;s probably a good starting point.  Unless you&#8217;ve got experience, you probably don&#8217;t want to be chasing after annual reports or similar  projects, and with a day job, you probably don&#8217;t want such complex jobs anyway.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get hung up on your samples being published. You&#8217;re not pitching a novel, you&#8217;re pitching your writing abilities, which you have in spades. Write a press release about your newly created writing services and put that up there.</p>
<p><em>John Roach&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ProWritingTips/~3/397471354/' rel="nofollow">That which doesn’t restrict you makes you non-essential</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: --Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>--Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay ... I started to create a Services page, and got stuck. Melissa said, &quot;Include as much (rates) or as little (portfolio/samples) information as you want,&quot; but ... I don&#039;t know what my rates should be (I told you I was uncertain), and I don&#039;t yet have any published work outside of my quartet of blogs and some of the promotional stuff I write for my day job.

What kind of information should I have on my Services page? What kind of samples?

Or should I just say something like, &quot;Contact me if you&#039;re interested in my services,&quot; and quote rates on an individual basis? 

And--what kind of writing samples would YOU offer, if you were me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &#8230; I started to create a Services page, and got stuck. Melissa said, &#8220;Include as much (rates) or as little (portfolio/samples) information as you want,&#8221; but &#8230; I don&#8217;t know what my rates should be (I told you I was uncertain), and I don&#8217;t yet have any published work outside of my quartet of blogs and some of the promotional stuff I write for my day job.</p>
<p>What kind of information should I have on my Services page? What kind of samples?</p>
<p>Or should I just say something like, &#8220;Contact me if you&#8217;re interested in my services,&#8221; and quote rates on an individual basis? </p>
<p>And&#8211;what kind of writing samples would YOU offer, if you were me?</p>
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		<title>By: --Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>--Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So MANY things I need to do--and why are so many of them &quot;Do this FIRST&quot; kinds of items. Not everybody can be first. Stop pushing in line!

Keep the tips coming, folks.... Just remember, I&#039;ve got a full-time job and that limits what I can do during traditional business hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So MANY things I need to do&#8211;and why are so many of them &#8220;Do this FIRST&#8221; kinds of items. Not everybody can be first. Stop pushing in line!</p>
<p>Keep the tips coming, folks&#8230;. Just remember, I&#8217;ve got a full-time job and that limits what I can do during traditional business hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Derby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have that one perfect piece of advice, but I do want to wish you luck in finding the path that&#039;s right for you. For me, the beginning was a combination of scanning craigslist (although craigslist seemed better then) and pitching my services around to business people, but that won&#039;t necessarily be the right path for you. We&#039;re all as different as the writing we do, I think. Chamber of Commerce is a good idea.

&lt;em&gt;Amy Derby&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://write-from-home.com/fiction-friday-stories-markets&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fiction Friday: Stories &amp; Markets&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have that one perfect piece of advice, but I do want to wish you luck in finding the path that&#8217;s right for you. For me, the beginning was a combination of scanning craigslist (although craigslist seemed better then) and pitching my services around to business people, but that won&#8217;t necessarily be the right path for you. We&#8217;re all as different as the writing we do, I think. Chamber of Commerce is a good idea.</p>
<p><em>Amy Derby&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://write-from-home.com/fiction-friday-stories-markets' rel="nofollow">Fiction Friday: Stories &amp; Markets</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Lillie Ammann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lillie Ammann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb,
You don&#039;t need to be a programmer to add a services page to your site. Upgrading and redesigning is great but not necessary at this point. Just add a page about your services. 

As to what to charge, if you apply for gigs listed on the various writing sites, you&#039;ll find that many of them have an established price they will pay. If you read them regularly, you will start to get a feel for what&#039;s typical (if such a thing exists). But you&#039;ll see payment for blog posts fall into a range, SEO articles a range, etc. As a beginner, you may need to charge on the lower end of the scale (though not necessarily at the bottom). Apply for a few jobs and see what happens. You will get more familiar with the market, and you will hone your query skills.

&lt;em&gt;Lillie Ammann&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://lillieammann.com/blog/2008/09/15/change-is-afoot/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Change is afoot …&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb,<br />
You don&#8217;t need to be a programmer to add a services page to your site. Upgrading and redesigning is great but not necessary at this point. Just add a page about your services. </p>
<p>As to what to charge, if you apply for gigs listed on the various writing sites, you&#8217;ll find that many of them have an established price they will pay. If you read them regularly, you will start to get a feel for what&#8217;s typical (if such a thing exists). But you&#8217;ll see payment for blog posts fall into a range, SEO articles a range, etc. As a beginner, you may need to charge on the lower end of the scale (though not necessarily at the bottom). Apply for a few jobs and see what happens. You will get more familiar with the market, and you will hone your query skills.</p>
<p><em>Lillie Ammann&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://lillieammann.com/blog/2008/09/15/change-is-afoot/' rel="nofollow">Change is afoot …</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: --Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>--Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Melissa--I know, I DO need to upgrade this site to change/improve it, but finding the time (not to mention the expertise) is hard! (grin) (Hey, I never claimed to be a programmer.)

And, how DO you figure out what to charge? I&#039;ve seen the formulas about figuring out what you need per month and dividing it by the number hours worked, or whatever, but I can&#039;t figure that out. I don&#039;t know how many hours I&#039;ll have to spare yet (since I do have a full-time job, and I&#039;m trying to help my Dad get his own business launched, too--(more computer stuff I don&#039;t understand)--so the numbers are completely imaginary. And, um, &quot;Ts and Cs?&quot;

@Lillie--I&#039;ve heard about the &quot;write-for-charity&quot; thing and understand why and how it&#039;s a good thing, but honestly, don&#039;t know any local charities to write for!

@Julie--Thanks!

And, folks, I&#039;m trying very hard not to sound like I&#039;m whining, here. I feel like I keep saying, &quot;But, but, but!&quot; It&#039;s mostly because I&#039;m overwhelmed and can&#039;t figure out exactly what to do first, when my list of &quot;Must Do First&quot; has so many items on it. Not just for this, but for trying to help my Dad, and the computer-programming-website thing really bogs me down a LOT because, while I can figure certain things out, it takes me a while. (And, no, I really can&#039;t afford to hire someone to do it for me, darn it.) 

So, any responses that sound whiny--if any do--please forgive the tone. It&#039;s not ingratitude you&#039;re hearing, honest!

(Yeah, right, like THAT disclaimer really helped....)

&lt;em&gt;--Deb&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/PunctualityRules/~3/396597831/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Soliciting Advice and Encouragement&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Melissa&#8211;I know, I DO need to upgrade this site to change/improve it, but finding the time (not to mention the expertise) is hard! (grin) (Hey, I never claimed to be a programmer.)</p>
<p>And, how DO you figure out what to charge? I&#8217;ve seen the formulas about figuring out what you need per month and dividing it by the number hours worked, or whatever, but I can&#8217;t figure that out. I don&#8217;t know how many hours I&#8217;ll have to spare yet (since I do have a full-time job, and I&#8217;m trying to help my Dad get his own business launched, too&#8211;(more computer stuff I don&#8217;t understand)&#8211;so the numbers are completely imaginary. And, um, &#8220;Ts and Cs?&#8221;</p>
<p>@Lillie&#8211;I&#8217;ve heard about the &#8220;write-for-charity&#8221; thing and understand why and how it&#8217;s a good thing, but honestly, don&#8217;t know any local charities to write for!</p>
<p>@Julie&#8211;Thanks!</p>
<p>And, folks, I&#8217;m trying very hard not to sound like I&#8217;m whining, here. I feel like I keep saying, &#8220;But, but, but!&#8221; It&#8217;s mostly because I&#8217;m overwhelmed and can&#8217;t figure out exactly what to do first, when my list of &#8220;Must Do First&#8221; has so many items on it. Not just for this, but for trying to help my Dad, and the computer-programming-website thing really bogs me down a LOT because, while I can figure certain things out, it takes me a while. (And, no, I really can&#8217;t afford to hire someone to do it for me, darn it.) </p>
<p>So, any responses that sound whiny&#8211;if any do&#8211;please forgive the tone. It&#8217;s not ingratitude you&#8217;re hearing, honest!</p>
<p>(Yeah, right, like THAT disclaimer really helped&#8230;.)</p>
<p><em>&#8211;Deb&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/PunctualityRules/~3/396597831/' rel="nofollow">Soliciting Advice and Encouragement</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Julie Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Roads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Deb...some good advice up there! I&#039;ve written a whole series on my blog www.bloggingroads.com called &quot;How to Become a Freelance Writer&quot; (check the how to category and you&#039;ll find them or email me and I&#039;ll send you all the links) and I also consult on this topic (it&#039;s one of my favorite things to do) - and for you friend, I would LOVE to help you out. You are a fantastic writer and there is no doubt you&#039;ll be a huge success - I might even be able to contract some of my work to you! Email or call me!!!
Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Deb&#8230;some good advice up there! I&#8217;ve written a whole series on my blog <a href="http://www.bloggingroads.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggingroads.com</a> called &#8220;How to Become a Freelance Writer&#8221; (check the how to category and you&#8217;ll find them or email me and I&#8217;ll send you all the links) and I also consult on this topic (it&#8217;s one of my favorite things to do) &#8211; and for you friend, I would LOVE to help you out. You are a fantastic writer and there is no doubt you&#8217;ll be a huge success &#8211; I might even be able to contract some of my work to you! Email or call me!!!<br />
Julie</p>
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